
Codification
in an Individualistic World ?
Mr Gary Oliver, Lecturer, University of New South Wales, Australia
PART
ONE
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Thanks for joining us, Gary, Gary
Oliver from the University of New South Wales (Australia)
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Wilson Tay -
We were just talking about the transitioning of the adult workers
and the young.
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Gary Oliver -
I think that is not only vital.
But... the other comment that I heard
in the discussion was this sense of individualism versus community.
And I think that is a problem people are not addressing. And it's
not a Malaysia problem. It's a global problem.
I used to be the chairman of a precinct
group back where I used to live. That was a council -assisted
but not -funded group where local residents got together and talked
about the directions of the local area, in any way that interested
them and alerted council to these kind of guidelines.
And I stopped it about five years
ago...because of my studies and things... and the thing that concerned
me was we had stopped getting young people coming along. There
was a division that suddenly under 30 no body was coming along
any more. Whereas 5 years ago before that we had people in their
30s coming along. But suddenly there is this demographic and individualistic...
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Australia is very typical of that , isn't Gary ?
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Duncan -
... eventually when people started to realise that knowledge is
power it will be a big, big pressure. They will ask themselves,
"Why should I share my knowledge to you ?"
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Gary -
Which is my point about codification, that, when people realise
that making explicit the tacit and, now I am moving into that
question that you were talking about before, the truly tacit things,
they are not getting recognition for the intellectual labour process.
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.... the years it took to get to that point.
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Gary -
Yes... in synthesising, summarising, expressing in a very...sharp
sense all of this experience. They are expected to do it as part
of their job and they are rightly putting up their hand and saying,
"No, that is additional work outside my job description and
unless you are giving me something for that I am not doing it."
And, of course, they(employees) have
got a good right to do that because... in the past people have
said that, "Oh, you're retiring...3 months or six months
before you go, would you write down all your knowledge ?"
And so you were getting recognition for that tacit knowledge and
recognition for the contribution of making it explicit or codify
it or sharing it out or personalised, however you did it.
And (so) organisations do deserve
challenge for saying, "Look, that was your behaviour some
time ago. Now, you just want to make it codified and explicit
for FREE for you in addition to me doing the regular work !"
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Duncan -
So at the moment, what organisations do is, an increasing trend,
is people with multiple skills. OK. [Job Sharing Assignments]
I don't know which is the cause or
what is the effect. OK. But multiple skills on one hand can (be)
people trying to strengthen themselves and make them more knowledgeable.
But in many cases it is organisations trying to have more successes
or contingency plans against those critical kinds of positions.
What I am trying to say is though...to
address this point of non-codification... To some companies, OK...
if they cannot codify the tacit knowledge or to become explicit,
what they would try to do is build more persons in having knowledge
within field or position, running the risk that of tacit knowledge,
but having more persons...more the same.
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Gary - But that could be counter-productive...
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Wilson - Yeh... that is exactly right.
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Gary -
... Exactly for the reason you were saying... which is if they...
If I am here (in this position) and you are hired, what is my
reaction going to be - You're my rival.
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Duncan - Exactly, yeh.
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Gary -
... And if you and I have been pals in the company, I'm actually
going to tell you that, "They've actually hired Duncan because
they are going to get rid of me !"
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Collaborative environments versus competitive environments...
How do we transform traditional competitive rivalries to into
a collaborative type of organisation... because you win out when
you share... because you are getting other nineteen gems from
others...See... You see if you don't share you are not going to
build up your expertise level in your
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Gary-
Spiro.... it doesn't matter, and this ties back to Duncan's comments.
There's two things going on - there is the view of what the organisation
sees as... I mean... as you were saying that you are a manager,
you had a view of what you wanted to do and you wanted how the
organisation to look and who you want and who you thought had
the knowledge.
But there is (also) an individual
view who is saying, "Mmmmm... my with this guy (manager)
I'll give the company twelve months and then I want to move on."
Now if you can as management can
harness this person and say, "Let's have a drink about this
and tell me what you think." And I say, "12 months".
And I say, "Even if he fires me tomorrow because I've let
the cat out of the bag, I can go and work for them... If (the
manager) says, "Oh, OK, Gary. I've only got you for twelve
months. How can we best use you ?"
And if this guy then as a manager
says, "I've got to take a different view of that guy. I was
just going to have him metaphorically sweep the floors. Maybe
I've got to take him to a negotiation meeting or maybe I've got
to give him a project." And maybe the fact that he does that...
Gary starts to say to himself..."I like this guy.. He is
... He is my mentor. I'm learning from him. I won't leave."
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It's a mutual thing.....
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PART
TWO 
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